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I also hear that “my reading manga” completely did away with the “shota” tag, the images themselves are still hosted, but without the tag, you’d have a hard time finding anything….

then i wouldnt have expect’d preemptivly a sequal (unforanatly) to the julyish e621 censorshit

NEVERMIND

but really; they couldnt make sure that the .org was setup in 2 forms so that if the mains down a 2nd copy uses that same ip until the other ones back up?

really?

i cant tell

AT ALL

is it dead?

even the .org is 404

@otterball
I miss when the internet was just segregated forums with no crosstalk… sigh. Well I still say make a bluesky. They are being less strict on artwork. Plus, they don’t push for a phone number like twitter, truth, threads, etc.

Also threads really sucks… one of the worst. What if I don’t want to use Instagram?? can’t use threads.

I was thinking about creating a BlueSky account, but I guess not then. I had earlier left X/Twitter, of course. Well, they are all the same, and Internet is better without any social media :P

Recently on BSKY – There was a MASSIVE ban wave that targeted anyone who likes or interacts with accounts posting fictional cartoon Anime Loli/Shota Art as well as Cub Furry Art… BSKY Mods treat this FICTIONAL hand drawn cartoon content as if it is the exact same thing as CSEM, on a legal level and a moral / ethical level (and I have personally gotten emails sent to me from Bsky Moderation that says in their own words how they feel about this kind of artwork).

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_sigh …. Look, I understand the need for a burgeoning social media platform like Blue Sky to put the clamp down on people who share ACTUAL ILLEGAL MATERIAL, as it presents a huge liability issue for them…. however, 2D FICTIONAL CARTOON ARTWORK IS NOT THE SAME AS CSEM…. for an image to qualify as CSEM, it MUST meet the requirement of either being (A) virtually indistinguishable from a real photographic image of a real human person, or (B) HAVE BEEN BASED ON A REAL PERSON….

Lewd cartoon rule 34 art of Tails and Sonic screwing does not count.
Lewd drawings of some non-existent fictional “loli” character do not count.

In France, Canada, UK, Australia? Yeah, it counts THERE, not in the U.S.A.
(but after the Project 2025 crap, who knows?????)

Ashcroft VS Free Speech Coalition says “persons of ordinary intelligence can tell the difference between a photo of a real human person and a FICTIONAL CARTOON DRAWING.”

But BSKY clearly does not care about Laws or Logic, instead they go by feelings and opinions and by whatever the loud screeching voices of Twitter and Tumblr tell them is “problematic.”

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Taking a “scorched earth” approach to this problem really is not fair.

Lumping people who draw or share FICTIONAL CARTOON ART in with actual criminals who trade genuine CSEM – IS NOT FAIR.

Many of the people whose accounts were affected RECEIVED NO EMAIL EXPLAINING THE REASON THEIR ACCOUNTS WERE TERMINATED….

SOME of the affected users were able to send an email directly to Bsky Moderation and file an appeal to get their accounts reinstated, but with an email sent back to them that basically accused them of being in cahoots with actual criminals who trade actual images of real human people… and a threatening “we’ll be watching you to see if you screw up again.”

So yeah, you file an appeal and get your account back, but if you happen to like a drawing that the BSKY Mods think is “problematic” – POOF, YOUR ACCOUNT GETS NUKED AGAIN…. so you’ll be walking on eggshells and trying your best NOT to click “like” on any kind of cartoon artwork that might be considered “problematic.”

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On top of this, Bsky is also doing Ghost Ban type regulation…
Comment too fast? Ghost Ban! Say the wrong words? Ghost Ban!
And YOU won’t know that you’re Ghost Banned, unless you go
hop on a secondary alt account to go CHECK your main account….

UGH!!! … They want to be Twitter so badly that
they are copying all of the BAD aspects…

I care not about it.

It seems pretty boring https://box464.com/posts/bluesky-pds/

Checking the source it seems very simples, but it depends in many libraries, mostly AWS stuff and AT Protocol libraries. Worth checking the AT Protocol libraries it uses. But seeing as it’s, looks like it uses a server as your own, with your own admin base.

You should ask without informing much the intention, asking only the technical thing. Very possible they could just close your question after also you could receive much harassments.

Asking about it here: https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds/discussions/148

Once I found out it’s not really your own instance, they might have full control of rather you have contact with the main server or not.

Also, once BlueSky got popular it began to had CSEM issue aswell, like, there were people sharing actual real CP and exploiting underage users. And also children creating accounts to post their own sexual pictures on their own (not going to discuss if that’s right or wrong, but fact is that’s also illegal in most countries) because of parents who don’t regulate their kids internet usage. This led to catch media attention on this platform and BlueSky brought more moderators to enforce their rules. But they enforced it really bad in the way you know (action = sexuality, real-life = fiction, etc), and in time it weighted in the entire MAP comunity and aswell shota/loli/cub/abdl community and they officialized it.

Furries typically tend to be first on the scene when it comes to new social media platforms. I remember the first time I set up a Live Journal account, the person who invited me / told me about it was of course another Furry, and there were absolutely TONS of furries using LJ for their blogging and networking purposes.

Then LJ gradually lost relevance and Myspace was the hot trendy thing for a bit, until Facebook. Ahhh, but Facebook had a caveat – they started to enforce a “Real Names Only” policy, which meant that if you had a silly name like say “Kitsune Baka” – the FB mods would flag your account and scream THAT’S NOT YOUR REAL NAME, WE WANNA SEE A PHOTO OF YOUR GOVERNMENT I.D. OR WE WON’T LET YOU BACK INTO YOUR ACCOUNT.

That was the first sign to me that Anonymity was dying. Facebook wants everything you do to be tied to your real identity, and Furries typically do not like using their Real Names online… way too easy to get stalked that way…. There was – at one point, an attempt by someone to create a Furry clone of Facebook called “Fur Gather” but it wasn’t around for very long, the project runner eventually called it quits and just gave up on it despite a fair number of people showing interest.

Twitter – as far as I know – never tried to pull a Facebook and demand you use your actual real name, but ever since Elon took over it’s just gotten worse and worse. Bluesky has tried to swoop in and fill the void, but as soon as it got popular enough for the Normies to join it, they’ve added more and more stupid restrictive rules to satisfy the migrating influx of Normies and their silly beliefs about “Problematic” Fiction….

TeleGram is alright, but that’s not really a Public Social Network, it’s more akin to a fancier version of ICQ for the modern times… TeleGram also has its own set of problems, like the fact you are REQUIRED to sign up with a Phone Number, which may as well be the same as handing over your I.D. to Mark Robo-Zerg…

I agree

It’s like, they used furries for their network to grow and get popular, as as soon it got popular, they said “We don’t need you anymore, get the fuck out, we’ll deal with the rest of you soon”.

It looks like they are now o:
https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds

So we need a cubfur instance then!

Just openened “BEE-SKEE-GMAIL-MOD-PEARAX-BLANKED.jpg” now, for some reason the website wasn’t loading and had to open through Tor. That really looks like a post made by a ordinary Twitter mundane person, really unprofessional, a moderator taking it’s own opinions instead of clarifying based on the website rules even it’s stupid now. The argument is also really stupid, art has a powerful influence as a RATIONAL and CRITICISM tool, not as a “guy saw X so he did X” thing, it’s way over complex that, their narrative is just clearly infantilizing adults.

I still see some cub artists around

In the past, there already were furs policing artwork, kinks and identities. I.E. the Furry Sexuality Survey from The Furry Revolution by The Chained Wolf made a poll to research fetishes, paraphilias and sexualities in the furry subculture back then, it included samples of the most commons comments of those who answered the polls, some claims zoophiles and babyfurs are unacceptable and that both are harmful to the community.

This back in 2008.
We can go even further on the past back in the 1998, when we got the first alert of what we will be dealing today. The well known Burned Furs, which many furs usually makes the revisionism saying it was just a regular anti-gay group (or even worse, saying they were just trying to cleanse the furry rep) but their first targets were the zoophiles, spiritualist furries (therians wasn’t a word back then), vegetarians and lycanthropes, also usually targeted all the weird artworks and furry expression from that time.

So, see, it always existed in furry, it just currently became a trend. Furry always had this contradiction between being the weirdest and very acceptive subculture but also having the issue of being so huge in hate of other furs differences. We can’t treat it as a new thing perpetuated by dumbasses, this is a phenomenon which we already had in the past, we’re having again, and as such will end pretty soon, but may repeat again and again. We didn’t deal with this threat, instead we focused on keeping a good sight for the media.
If this is a phenomenon we have to comprehend why this became a trend the second time. Back on the 90’s, the Burned Furs were mostly made of frustrated furry artists, it was also that time that the internet began to be more popular and widely used, the furry community occupied that space much earlier but it was still very new to the community, the decentralization changes it has made to the subculture arrived as a shock for some older furs who were used to participate via APAs. The decentralization allowed many artists to share and sell their artworks independently but also brought somewhat a inequality, which arrived to frustrate some artists from that time. It also brought anonymity but some furs preferred to use their real names. The media influence was sensationalist and sex-negative, some furs who used real names were afraid of losing their jobs or having a impact on their families, while some furs perceived the media attention as a result of their lifestyle being so separated from their mundane lifestyle to have been scaring out the mundanes, which was seem as a negative, neutral or a positive result. The Burned Furs took all that and blamed the furry minorities because, in their words, not the media and the sex-negative capitalist society, but they, the ‘degenerated’ were making a bad image of furry and flaming out all other furries along them, so it was necessary to keep them out of the community. The similarity with the current rethorics aren’t merely coincidence.

The current furry subculture is facing the opposite economical progress, we’re now facing centralization, and back in the 10’s we’ve got the furry exodus where the furry community grew, furries websites began to decay, usage of mobile apps increased a lot while web decreased, and furries began to move to mainstream social media such as Facebook and Twitter to share and sell artwork. It’s also the same time we’ve seem the rise of the far-right in the world which used (and also governed) the same social media algorithms. Social polarization spreaded a lot not only in furry but in the entire society.

I don’t really care one way or the other.

It seems to be the big hot new thing to scream at.

But I just don’t really care enough about it to join the pitchfork mob.

I’ve seen people use it to make some pretty halfway decent cub art though…

It is inevitable though that technology will “make such and such activity easier.”

I mean, people had freak outs against Samplers and Synthesizers and Digital Audio Workstations.

“It will make music too easy and people will stop learning real instruments.”

Whatever… sorry I was never great at playing notes in 100% correct scale and pitch.

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I guess the big “moral issue” is style stealing, people copying your style.

Biz Markie (a rapper from the late 80s) got sued because he sampled some song.

Until that landmark court case, people just sampled anything they wanted to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Upright_Music,_Ltd._v._Warner_Bros._Records_Inc.

Maybe the “art scene” is gunna hafta start adapting similar laws?

The guy who made the famous “Amen Break” died never seeing a cent of royalties,

despite the fact that the “Amen Break” was one of the most sampled drum loops of all time.

If Copyright Law had worked differently and in his favor, he could have been rich.

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Was? It hasn’t gone anywhere. It is back.
https://archive.wildcritters.ws/
https://wildcritters.ws

Even if the American Laws change to more closely resemble the laws of Canada, France, United Kingdom, Australia, Italy and Switzerland (the countries that have banned “Problematic” cartoon artwork) — a cartoon drawing of a fictional bipedal talking animal will NEVER be logically / factually equal to Genuine CSEM of a Real Human Person who exists In Real Life….

No more than a bag of Vegan Chik-N Nuggets could ever be logically / factually equal to a bag of ACTUAL Chicken Nuggets… care to take a guess as to WHY they aren’t equal?

One is made of plants and requires NO harm to be done to an animal in its manufacturing process.

And the other one does! …. (For the record, I’m not even a Vegan, this is purely for the sake of argument).

Now, apply the same logic to cartoon art… The 2D hand drawn art DOES NOT require the harm of an Actual Human Person as part of its manufacturing process…. and the Genuine Actual Factual CSEM does….

This is why they will never be logically / factually / rationally / legitimately equal….

Even if American Law changes to be more like the other countries….

The ONLY way that it is “logically” & “factually” equal is if the artist is basing their drawings on REAL people…

F.A. can ban whatever kind of artwork it wants to, but F.A. is NOT the United States Government, and I care way more about the general law and how it affects EVERY website, way - way - way more than I care about F.A.

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18 U.S. Code § 2256 — Section 9

18 U.S. Code § 2256 — Section 11

1 U.S. Code § 8 …… (Defines what “Person” means)

Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition …….. (Defines CURRENT U.S. LAW, not outdated 2003 law).

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The key wording in all of these is “Virtually Indistinguishable” from an ACTUAL person….

Or at the very least BASED on an Actual Person…. THEN it becomes illegal under U.S. Law.

Keep in mind, the Protect Act of 2003 was ruled unconstitutional and replaced by the CPPA…..

Knee-Jerk Reactions and screaming at people on Twitter cannot magically make Yiffy Art of Tails and Sonic count as actual, factual, genuine CSEM…. Tails and Sonic are NOT real people…. just like how a Plushie is NOT a real animal, just like how Vegan Nuggets are NOT made of actual chickens…..

And sure, you can certainly pull the “but what is that Vegan Nugget trying to simulate?” argument, but what it is trying to simulate is far less important than WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS MADE OF….. you can TEST those Vegan Nuggets by sending them off to a lab for analysis… to PROVE what they are made of….

I would imagine the same kinds of tests exist for testing drawings (LIKE LOOKING AT THEM WITH YOUR EYES AND REALIZING THAT IT’S A CARTOON and not a PERSON)…..

As for hyper-realistic pencil sketch drawings with no hint of cartoon exaggeration, if it looks like a Human Person, then it passes as a Human Person, which makes it qualify as CSEM…. the same hyper-realism would apply to A.I. Generated images trained on Real People, which means they also count.

Anyone with two functioning eyeballs and a working brain can tell that a Cartoon Furry Drawing looks NOTHING at all like a Real Flesh N’ Blood Human Being who exists in Real Life….. despite what Angry Delusional Twitter Users have spent years and years brainwashing you into believing….

Unless you have a SEVERE case of Oneirataxia (google that term) – you are 100% capable of telling the difference between Fictional Cartoon Furry Artwork and photos of an Actual Human Being……

False Equivalence Fallacies and Moral Equivalence Fallacies be damned!