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Even if the American Laws change to more closely resemble the laws of Canada, France, United Kingdom, Australia, Italy and Switzerland (the countries that have banned “Problematic” cartoon artwork) — a cartoon drawing of a fictional bipedal talking animal will NEVER be logically / factually equal to Genuine CSEM of a Real Human Person who exists In Real Life….

No more than a bag of Vegan Chik-N Nuggets could ever be logically / factually equal to a bag of ACTUAL Chicken Nuggets… care to take a guess as to WHY they aren’t equal?

One is made of plants and requires NO harm to be done to an animal in its manufacturing process.

And the other one does! …. (For the record, I’m not even a Vegan, this is purely for the sake of argument).

Now, apply the same logic to cartoon art… The 2D hand drawn art DOES NOT require the harm of an Actual Human Person as part of its manufacturing process…. and the Genuine Actual Factual CSEM does….

This is why they will never be logically / factually / rationally / legitimately equal….

Even if American Law changes to be more like the other countries….

The ONLY way that it is “logically” & “factually” equal is if the artist is basing their drawings on REAL people…

F.A. can ban whatever kind of artwork it wants to, but F.A. is NOT the United States Government, and I care way more about the general law and how it affects EVERY website, way - way - way more than I care about F.A.

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18 U.S. Code § 2256 — Section 9

18 U.S. Code § 2256 — Section 11

1 U.S. Code § 8 …… (Defines what “Person” means)

Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition …….. (Defines CURRENT U.S. LAW, not outdated 2003 law).

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The key wording in all of these is “Virtually Indistinguishable” from an ACTUAL person….

Or at the very least BASED on an Actual Person…. THEN it becomes illegal under U.S. Law.

Keep in mind, the Protect Act of 2003 was ruled unconstitutional and replaced by the CPPA…..

Knee-Jerk Reactions and screaming at people on Twitter cannot magically make Yiffy Art of Tails and Sonic count as actual, factual, genuine CSEM…. Tails and Sonic are NOT real people…. just like how a Plushie is NOT a real animal, just like how Vegan Nuggets are NOT made of actual chickens…..

And sure, you can certainly pull the “but what is that Vegan Nugget trying to simulate?” argument, but what it is trying to simulate is far less important than WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS MADE OF….. you can TEST those Vegan Nuggets by sending them off to a lab for analysis… to PROVE what they are made of….

I would imagine the same kinds of tests exist for testing drawings (LIKE LOOKING AT THEM WITH YOUR EYES AND REALIZING THAT IT’S A CARTOON and not a PERSON)…..

As for hyper-realistic pencil sketch drawings with no hint of cartoon exaggeration, if it looks like a Human Person, then it passes as a Human Person, which makes it qualify as CSEM…. the same hyper-realism would apply to A.I. Generated images trained on Real People, which means they also count.

Anyone with two functioning eyeballs and a working brain can tell that a Cartoon Furry Drawing looks NOTHING at all like a Real Flesh N’ Blood Human Being who exists in Real Life….. despite what Angry Delusional Twitter Users have spent years and years brainwashing you into believing….

Unless you have a SEVERE case of Oneirataxia (google that term) – you are 100% capable of telling the difference between Fictional Cartoon Furry Artwork and photos of an Actual Human Being……

False Equivalence Fallacies and Moral Equivalence Fallacies be damned!

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I’ll just bring my two comments HERE, since to my knowledge, you can’t even read a journal entry or anything without first making a Fur Affinity account….

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I hate what Furry Fandom has turned into — a Non-Stop “Purity Spiral” or “Morality Contest” to see who has the most “Godly Kinks” and the most “Socially Acceptable Fetishes” which is quite strange coming from a Fandom that used to not care at all… back in the Middle 2000s of Furry Fandom, nobody cared enough to screech at you for drawing Rule 34 of a Feral Scooby Doo, or Balto, or Lion King……. Nobody gave a damn if you drew Lewd Art of characters like Tails The Fox, or Buster Bunny, or Klonoa…… the entire concept of such things being “Problematic” did not even exist yet, because Tumblr and Twitter did not exist yet….

Everyone in the Middle 2000s era of Furry Fandom completely understood that these things are PURE FICTION… not equal to Real People in Real Life! But nowadays, everyone is looking for any excuse to crucify each other over the most insignificant piddly crap…. “Oh, you have a Plushie fetish? Well that makes you no better than a damn Z00phile!” – “Oh, you like a character who talks but walks on 4 legs and not 2? YOU’RE NO BETTER THAN A DAMN Z00PHILE!!!!”

Back in the middle 2000s of Furry Fandom, nobody was looking up the canonical ages of fictional cartoon animal people to check if drawing lewd art of them was “Problematic” or not…. but nowadays, that’s just the trend, and if you DON’T follow the trend, you are treated like a witch in Salem…. STRING ’EM UP!!!!

People actively harass each other OVER FICTION…. people doxx each other and threaten each other OVER FICTION, and I am friggin’ sick of it! This is STUPID…. and even ’Neer knew it was stupid back in 2006…. back when a handful of loud angry Fiction Moralists were demanding the banning of any artwork they deemed “Problematic.”

’Neer wanted to implement a Tags and Blacklist system so that people could curate their own experience, not have their experience DICTATED by a small but very angry and vocal minority…. sadly he did not live to see such a system implemented on his website, and even now, I doubt such a system will EVER be put into effect here on F.A.

It’s easier to just keep banning things, rather than fix the website to make it better.

It’s easier to scream at people who draw things than it is to go after REAL criminals who do REAL crimes….

The Dragoneer from 2006 would think all of this drama is hilarious and sad and very dumb….

What all has F.A. banned? Let’s see, Cub, then Pokemon, and now Baby Furs…..

And everyone from those other “evil” furry websites kept saying “This is a slippery slope, censorship of artwork is not a good thing,” but nobody listened, they all just clapped and cheered and pointed fingers and threw bowling balls of blame in every direction …. remember what Neil Gaiman said? …. “By the time they come for what YOU like, it’s already too late.”

The BabyFurs are just now getting a taste of the sharp side of the Censorship Sword…. who knows who is next?

I’m sure whoever they are, they will learn nothing from history as it repeats before their very eyes….

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As for Red Rusker, I didn’t even know that you drew Cub Art at all, I always just thought you only drew Normie Stuff. Ya know, big tall muscle furs and such… well, even with this new knowledge – I still don’t hate you. I don’t think you are an evil person for drawing things on a sheet of paper. I also do not think that you deserve to be harassed, stalked, doxxed or accused of horrendous things without tangible proof…

Accusations require evidence, without evidence it is just rumors.

Don’t beat yourself up too much over this, and FOR GAWD’S SAKE don’t listen to the Twitter Freaks….

You drawing things isn’t magically going to make bad stuff happen in Real Life.

You choosing NOT to draw those things isn’t going to magically make bad stuff NOT happen either….|

What if every Video Game Maker, every TV Show Producer, every Movie Maker got hung up on this OCD fear that what they make will be used as an excuse for Bad Stuff happening? Nothing would get made…. no Artwork, no Music, no TV Shows, no Games, NOTHING… because people would be too afraid of inspiring Real Life copy-cats.

Can’t do a show like Breaking Bad, someone might see it and decide to become the Real Life “Heisenberg.”

Can’t do a show like Beavis and Butthead, someone might imitate that and accidentally burn down their trailer home….

Eminem, D12, Insane Clown Posse, Marilyn Manson? ALL GONE…. someone might imitate them….

Personally I think it’s MORONIC to blame ART for what someone else does.

And the artist blaming themselves for that is also pointless….

Marilyn Manson didn’t magically make Columbine happen….

The artwork of Wolfblade, or Harmarist, or Aogami isn’t going to flip a switch in some delusional moron’s brain and make them into a ravenous-sicko-psycho…. what’s next? Do we blame The Beatles for the actions of Charles Manson? Can anyone even PROVE the theory that there were hidden subliminal messages in the songs telling Charlie what to do????

What other people do after consuming your artwork is not really YOUR fault, or YOUR responsibility.

Blame should be on the individual person, since it was THEIR decision to do those things….

If you don’t wanna draw a specific type of Furry Art anymore, that’s fine, that’s YOUR choice….

But if I were in the same position, I would argue Tooth & Nail in favor of Facts and Truth and American Law….

Not knee-jerk emotional reactions and Post Hoc Ergo Proper Hoc Fallacies and Gateway Drug Theories….

I’d be flipping every Tumblr and Twitter Anti the finger and just continue drawing whatever the hell I want to….

And if people wanted to blame me for such and such Bad Thing happening IRL, or if they wanna screech at me that “it’s problematic” — I would simply ignore them, or argue my positions from a place of Pure Logic and tell them all to go kick rocks up a hill…. I don’t owe anybody conformity, and neither do you.

ART IS ART, FICTION IS FICTION….

Reality is Reality….

That will ALWAYS be my position….

I HATE Twitter Antis….

(and sadly a lot of them decided to become mods on Furry Art galleries).

The artist “Red Rusker” (creator of Sea Salt the Dalmatian) apparently got “exposed” for drawing NSFW Cub, the hate campaign started by the exposer resulted in RR’s Twitter being suspended. (I hate this shit, RR didn’t even post the images to his Twitter, someone ELSE dug up the art and raised a fuss about it and got their legion of trolls to Mass Flag his Twitter into oblivion, which is the same shit people did to Harmarist too).

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Fuck the haters, DRAW WHAT YOU WANT TO DRAW.

Don’t kiss the asses of the Purity Police.

that site fueled my kemoshota addiction and i have still not recovered all these years later

but to be honest i think that is the best possible outcome

personally i’m pretty indifferent towards it

i’m both a digital artist and experiment a bit with AI and both have pros and cons
AI is absolutely horrible from a usability standpoint, i can never reliably generate what i want and it’s literally impossible to generate new and specific concepts without going through tons of hoops like training loras

as a digital artist i’m extremely picky and specific about what goes in my art and AI has absolutely nothing on that, but that could also be a pro depending on what you’re looking for as well! it completely removes the “self” from whatever art you generate, which makes it really good for making abstract stuff that you’d never think of.
with paper and pencil you decide exactly where the lines start and end, for better or worse.

but of course the big barrier of entry is having a decent enough GPU (maybe 1050ti and up) to run stable diffusion locally to get the most out of it, and needing to sink the time into refining your prompts to not suck and actually make something half-decent

which isn’t a very involved process and is quite boring

though the main reason i use AI is because i like to spend my time drawing things that i want to make, which actually isn’t r34 and porn
AI can pick up the slack making things that i kinda want to make (more like feel horny enough to want to make) but don’t see the value in dedicating large amounts of time to

also as for your latter point…
there’s an ethics conversation to be had about whether generating something like that with AI completely locally and not even distributing it does any harm, but i’m never touching it regardless

i do have deeper thoughts on it than that, but im not really comfortable talking about it in general to be honest, sorry!

It was best site ever. My favourite social site.

It was a furry art website that had a focus on Pokemon Porn and also rare, fan-translated Kemono Doujinshi Comics.

I used it often back in the 2011 to 2014 time period.

I don’t remember Sonic Hentai, but I do remember Tails Kicks Ass Dot Net.

I can’t recall if that website had p0rn or not though.

UPDATE:

Huh…. it’s still around? Amazing.

A “poppy” version of “Let’s Fighting Love” from South Park.

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素晴らしいチンチンもの
金玉の髪ある
それの音　サルボボ？
いいえ！忍者がいます

Hey Hey Let’s Go! 喧嘩する
大切な物を protect my bawlz
僕が悪い so let’s fighting
Let’s fighting love…
Let’s fighting love…

この歌ちょっと馬鹿
訳が分からない
英語がメチャクチャ
大丈夫 we do it all the time

Hey Hey Let’s Go! 喧嘩する
大切な物を protect my bawlz
僕が悪い so let’s fighting
Let’s fighting love…
Let’s fighting love…

たーたー狸の金玉は
風に吹かれてぶらぶら
たーたー狸の金玉は
風に吹かれてぶらぶら

Hey Hey Let’s Go! 喧嘩する
大切な物を protect my bawlz
僕が悪い so let’s fighting
Let’s fighting love…
Let’s fighting love…

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[VERSE]

音楽が嫌いなら。

私にとって、あなたは人間以下だ。

音楽が嫌いなら。

あなたの存在は惨めに違いない。

[VERSE]

私はあなたのようにはなりたくない。

音楽がないと発狂してしまう。

痛々しいほどのエネルギー不足。

[CHORUS]

ヘッドホンは常につけている。

世界の声は聞きたくない。

雑音には痛みが多すぎる。

音楽の盾をくれ。

[VERSE]

癒しのメロディーが必要なんだ。

悲鳴は聞き飽きた。

うるさい車は好きじゃない。

[CHORUS]

ヘッドホンは常につけている。

世界の声は聞きたくない。

雑音には痛みが多すぎる。

音楽の盾をくれ。

It’s so much better to write your own stuff rather than let the A.I. write its own stuff based on a small bit of your lyrical input.

This one turned out pretty well.

Now I just make weird songs in foreign languages just to see what I can slip past the censors.

This was before I figured out that you can actually write your own lyrics start to finish and you do not need to rely on the A.I. Text Generator to “extend” your lyrical concepts…..

It was a pretty awesome forum, started in 2009 i think, and lasted pretty damn long considering most such forums were pretty much gone when it was remaining. Then in the mid-10s it started going completely dead, i remember almost no posts for the last months, and the owners didn’t give a damn about making it more popular, and finally shut it down to instead link to a Discord server which eventually banned me just because the owners didn’t like me for some reason.

Anyway, what other cub-friendly or other yiff forums do you remember? I remember:

Furry Sanctuary, aka Yiffers Unite! ,very long lived, probably late 90s-early or mid 10s, not much to say about it otherwise, never really clicked much with anyone there but it was a stalwart for remaining as long as it did.
Sonic Passion, yeah, it’s notorious for a few threads i never even looked at myself, most of it was pretty decent people.
Unbreakable Bonds / Spiritual Bonds, rather short lived mid-late 00s Invisionfree forums,there’s almost a dozen others but i can’t remember the names of those.

And yeah, spare us the “it’s ruining life for us real artists” crap here. It’s mostly normies doing clean art and the most mainstream adult art who complain anyway. Us into more extreme stuff can only gain from it, and i think most of “us” seem to understand that. I just wanna know what you think about it, artistically and overall.

Personally i think a lot of it looks really boring and unattractive due to the specific style it tends to use, but there are ways to get away from that, and i find it just hilarious to make, even if the results aren’t really worth showing to others often.

I don’t have any means to make X-rated art though, i don’t know if there are any tools for that available through the web, or only ones that have to be run locally. Some web versions of Stable Diffusion, especially SDXL Turbo were completely uncensored for a while but it seems they fixed that “mistake” about a month after it was released, the quality was pretty crap anyway, so it’s nothing i would want to show anyone, but it sure was hilarious for a while.

Which brings us to the other thing i wanted to bring up: what do you think about the subject of realistic, you know what, i mean a certain kind, yeah i think you know. I mean, realistic cub furries are one thing, because they can’t really be real, since furries don’t exist, but when it’s another thing, and it’s so realistic you can’t tell if it’s real…. yeah, just wondering what you think about it.

I did a whole bunch a while ago when it just came out, soon became tired of the low quality and now i’m working on something else. Here’s just a few of them, they’re almost completely unlistenable.

https://suno.com/song/10942149-cd07-499b-8fa5-0f35b83a5a12
https://suno.com/song/b578826f-7280-4425-acc5-a971361fce73
https://suno.com/song/c1adcbed-7d60-410d-9c39-57e42fed5776
https://suno.com/song/c78aad91-65b0-4cf5-9189-d22ba0973391
https://suno.com/song/b167f3f5-96f7-44b8-bf7c-756e23969850
https://suno.com/song/1dc9c03b-76a5-4eff-b41a-8ef82ac556a0
https://suno.com/song/29cd9dd4-8357-4035-ad4c-efbdb67f4871
https://suno.com/song/4d3173c6-baf6-4fbf-a502-91bafdd6f9da
https://suno.com/song/491816be-d889-4ed8-910f-d617421a0f01

InkBunny always had the better User Interface, the better features (Tags and Blacklist are ESSENTIAL for keeping people in their own little bubble so they don’t go harassing people from other Kink Camps!), and way nicer Mod Staff.

But for whatever insane reason, stuck up snobby Baby Furs refuse to use I.B. because of “reputation” – as if e621 didn’t also host the same exact kind of kink art for ENTIRE DECADES…. somehow, InkBunny developed this slanderous reputation as a “pedo website” while e621 was let off the hook, when they pretty much hosted the same things….

The fact that Baby Furs are too fucking stubborn and snobby to use a website that has always been INFINITELY BETTER than Fur Affinity – MAKES NO GAWD DAMN SENSE TO ME….. it’s like choosing to use MS Dos or Windows 3.1 over fucking Windows 7.

It’s like choosing the sound of a caveman banging dinosaur bones against a rock over a nice CD Player….

It’s like choosing a “Ball-In-A-Cup” game over a fucking Sega Genesis or Super Nintendo….

Fur Affinity is absolutely OUTDATED…. not just in terms of the website functions, but outdated in terms of how their Mods view Kink and how they seem to always make up new bullshit rules so they can decide for everyone else what the “New Problematic Thing” will be!

@FoxyBoyfriend
No, they took him off due to people complaining. FA never got the redesign until IMVU bought them.

@Chaska
I thought Zaush was given the reigns over the Furaffinity UI and UX some years ago?

@FoxyBoyfriend
They’ve been trying to sanitize the website since Dragoneer got sick and passed over control of the site… That’s when chibi porn was banned, unless your popular, and people like Zaush were banned for… Existing?

The lyrics are written by ~ me ~

And they are INTENTIONALLY goofy….

Oh, good grief. For what reason are they sanitizing the website after amassing a quarter million bucks?

It’s alllllllll over Bsky (bluesky is a social media twitter clone) and there are at least several individual journals on FA discussing / protesting the New Ban.

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IKR?????? The irony of it, the painful lack of self awareness! IT’S HILARIOUS TO ME!

Oh they are?? I can’t find any info on it.

I love when babyfurs think they are better than us cubs… Then they get schooled by the same bans they were cheering for.