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That’s my conclusion. The online community, not just for cubfurs or all furries but in general, has never been weaker and less accessible, not once since the start of public Internet access about 1996, and i’m not going to simply trust that it’s going to make a turn for the better soon.

A while ago i felt that things could get better soon, but now i’m not sure. Just personally, i feel disconnected from what everyone else is doing and unable to affect or make any impression on anyone, in a way i haven’t felt since 1996. Not once in 30 years have i felt like this.

In a short span of time, i’ve gotten banned from Discord, Bluesky and Twitter, which really gives me a perspective on how little else there really is to the web nowadays - but even when i had all of these, i could tell how much worse it had gotten. And i really suspect both that, and me getting banned, was a direct result of a trend for big web services to get more restrictive, because of pressure from the Trump regime, or just a wish to benefit from catering to it.

And in no way is it only what is online that’s affected. If i search for my city, all that comes up is crime reports and bots posting sports results. That’s it, that’s the only thing anyone has to say about my city online. Nothing positive, nothing creative, and certainly no social community i could even try to be part of in any way. Anyone telling me to try something in real life - try WHAT in real life? There’s nothing here anymore! And i’m sure it’s the same for most other places, anywhere in the world.

When the decline of independent websites started in the early 10s, i had the feeling it was going to be a long downer period, but eventually work out. After all there had been another “dark age” in the early-mid 00s, at least in my opinion it was. But this time, i’m not sure and in retrospect, it kind of makes sense.

What’s starting to occur to me is that internet culture peaked 15 years ago, and it took 15 years to reach that peak from being practically non-existant to the public. The more i think of it, the more it makes sense. 15 years up, and 15 years down. The absolute zero point is right now. That doesn’t mean it will get better, or that it won’t, but it has a clear symmetry to it.

The Internet has become the domain of the privileged - those with education, high-paying jobs, vivid real-life social circles, those who just happen to live in a city where there are others with the same interest as you do. The time when it was actually benificial to those that weren’t lucky, is gone, and it’s gone back to being just like the time before it.

What’s odd is that i can’t even figure out what most furries, even the popular ones, do online anymore. Even when i was excluded from much of the community for various reasons, i at least had some idea where they socialized and how everything worked, but now i’m completely blank.

I tried searching for “furry community” and various similar terms, and what little seemed relevant was mostly dead links or abandoned websites, and there doesn’t really seem to be anything an outsider can take part in anymore. There is simply no way to be a furry right now if you’re not American, an artist, can afford a fursuit or just won the proverbial lottery to live in a city that has local furmeets. There is nothing else to do right now.

Everyone knows what the problem is, but few will actually do what it takes. We need to start running our own websites again, instead of relying on corporate giants who don’t care about us in any way, and we need to use them, even if it means a little less convenient way of recieving your daily updates or a little fewer commissions for artwork. But most furries, especially artists, are just arrogant shits who don’t give a damn about contributing to a community for the sake of less privileged people, and they’re only looking for ways to make money or gain popularity.

So is there nothing else i can do? Anything else i can be?

It’s not seldom that i question myself, and why the hell i even bother to keep trying. What’s the point of being something nobody wants and everybody hates? I found an answer in an unexpected place, from the movie “Lord of War”, about an arms dealer who bought and sold weapons to worldwide conflicts where civilians and resisters were killed en masse, and didn’t even make that much money from it. Why did he do it?

Because it’s better if it’s done by somebody who’s good at it, than someone who isn’t. And the world would be a lot better if everyone just did the things they were good at, instead of things they weren’t. (Cut to Trump and tech industry leaders.)

For whatever it’s worth, i got an account now. Not sure i will do anything on it. https://mastodon.social/@menyku

I found a cubfur server, but the posts seems to be mostly ABDL stuff which doesn’t interest me at all, to put it lightly.

I would still like tips on servers to join and people/groups/whatever it’s called to follow, if anyone has any.

Just felt this. A server I joined was supposed to be safe for pro, com and dark ships. I was promptly called a predator in the application and banned.

I didn’t want to join a server full of rapists, abusers, murderers etc. anyway. If I’m gonna follow their logic.

Now that lulz.net seems to be gone for good, what image boards are there that allow our kinda stuff?

I was today years old when I learned booru.foalcon.com is alive, I just used the wrong VPN for it (Warp doesn’t work, but Browsec does).

Holy shit, this is even worse than i thought it would be. I have like no connection to ANY community now, no social life whatsoever since i’m banned from all these sites. I have a twitter account i follow some people i knew with, but i’m not posting anything on it and i’m not going to.

I really need to get started on something else, but there really doesn’t seem to be all that much (that’s friendly towards cubs etc.) anymore. I wish i could use one of the art sites like IB or Baraag, but they seem so intolerant towards AI art, there’d really be no point…

Been looking at more sites (as a guest only). AI images are prohibited on all of these.

Femboy.fan seems to be a male-focused Booru using the same engine as E621, made in 2024. Unlike E621, they do not allow images with humanoids only. Cubs are not FORMALLY banned, but with what they wrote on this subject, I would NOT recommend it for such purpose:

Stellarfur.net is an old-fashioned forum website where users are allowed to post NSFW art of yоung characters, regardless of species, made in 2024.

Furtastic.art is a furry art site made in 2023, it’s in beta and therefore is likely to change. I ASSUME cub is allowed based on the rules being specifically against yоung humanlike characters, but I can’t seem to find examples of it (probably because why show NSFW to guests?):

https://inkbunny.net/j/560366-RiskItForTheBiscuit-telegram-deleted-my-art-channel (CW: mention of ch!ld аbuse and politics)

@Stinkek
I think some people are too fast on the -1. I very rarely do it myself, on account of different strokes for different folks. I give +1 or none (but to be honest I haven’t done much of that on CutePaws. Possibly because I feel it might make me look biased.)

Today I registered on Furbooru, verified myself and posted a few cherrypicked innocuous drawings of my fursona, and nearly all of them have already got a score of -1. Thanks for the warm welcome, stupid person who never heard of filters.

Pinterest is a nice website if you’re an artist and looking for inspiration, but if you’re looking for art hoping to see the artist and/or source, it’s an embodiment of art theft. There’s so much good art linking to this godforsaken site with no source links or artist credit. And no, reverse image search doesn’t always work, making it so that a lot of quality art remains uncredited for indefinite periods of time.

I’m so glad that shotacon got banned from e6.

I made this Excel table comparing criterias of a few Fediverse instances that may be of interest to this site. Please note I made it without feedback, I don’t guarantee everything I wrote is correct. I avoid general furry instances because there may be too many and they’re most likely anti-cub.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/x6o7amojptvfx2xranevv/Fediverse-instances.png?rlkey=d77506iqb4us2qfwotqnhsx8p&st=ssf00q0y&dl=0
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I checked hashtags #abdlart and #babyfur on an instance called ABDL.link, but most posts I found are federated from CubHub.social, it also doesn’t allow NSFW art of undеrage characters and it’s full of photos, so… IRRELEVANT.
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Added software column. Added babyfurs.social, though from what I’ve seen it’s an inferior alternative to cubhub.social and I can’t navigate it for shit, I mostly find posts from other instances. Added more info on Aethy, Burggit, Headpat.cafe and Possums.gay. Coloured the table itself for easier navigation. Fixed the filename, since only 2/9 instances use Mastodon.
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Added a column where I express my opinions on whether you should join these instances. Added binky.fish and croquis.moe.
Also I emailed the owner of possums.gay on August 4, but I haven’t got a response yet.
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Updated Baraag’s AI stance. Burggit switched to another Misskey fork. If you do mostly/only AI, Burggit seems to be the best option.
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I decided to only include instances that allow loli/shota/cub, thus I removed cubhub.social and babyfurs.social (they also have too much photography which is irrelevant to this site’s interests). I also removed binky.fish as it’s allegedly being repurposed. Added kemokemo.org. Some other edits.

Forget what I said about a potential separate Booru for AI. I can just block pests who think they can tell others what not do when it’s explicitly permitted by the rules. I was still upset and not quite level-headed when I wrote that.@Stinkek

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I suppose if there was a separate website specially for AI-generated cub/lolisho, it would’ve cut down the AI-related drama on IB, ATF and maybe other sites with similar permissions. When it comes to my own AI stuff, I switched from IB to Cutepaws because it’s more peaceful here.
There are not many alternatives:

I’m just a regular user, but recently I started wondering: is chibi art really relevant to this site?
“Chibi” is just a way of drawing a character where you give them a bigger head, simplified features and overall cuter look. It has no connection to age at all: you can take an unambiguously adult character, like a male with muscles and facial hair or female with prominent breasts and thighs, and you can draw them as a chibi while still making it clear they’re NOT underage.
“Chibi” is the official style of the Littlest Pet Shop franchise. Most characters are technically NOT cubs, they’re just drawn in a cutesy way that may make them appear young. There also were multiple animated series (I can name 4) with some variety in art style, but we can ignore the LPS show from 1995 because the main cast of pets are obviously neither chibi nor cubs, they’re just miniature like a toy / figurine you’d put on your shelf.
I guess “chibi” is also the official style of Happy Tree Friends (with Lumpy being an exception), and the characters, while being anthro, aren’t depicted with any physical traits that would indicate adulthood. However, most characters here are also NOT cubs, as evidenced by Pop (father) and an actual cub named… Cub (his son). Although if I were to draw style-accurate NSFW art of them, I probably wouldn’t risk posting it to a normie website, they might just equate it to CSAM, and I don’t wanna go through this shit again. I don’t even like this franchise, I just want to contribute something that has little to no presence here.
G3.5 and Pony Life (sometimes called “G4.5” by fans) may be considered the “chibi” approaches to My Little Pony. Both have this “bobblehead” look to them. Sweetie Belle and Scootaloo in G3.5 are canonically younger than the rest of Core 7. G3.5 also includes baby depictions of the Core 7, but most people don’t like that, even I find the toys and some cartoon expressions to be unintentionally creepy.
With the overall theming of this site, I assume chibis MAY be relevant if they don’t have adult features, or they fall under “femboy” or “babyfur”. Does it mean things like this are not relevant? This is obviously a chibi, but she has boobs, which goes against the “cub” theme, and she doesn’t fit any other criteria.

To be completely honest, I’m indifferent to loli, shota and cubs. What I’m NOT indifferent to is how people think it’s normal to accuse you of something severe with no proof, the shitty formatting of Fediverse, the censorship of Pixiv and other Japanese sites, the “no human porn” rule of Inkbunny, the “no human lolisho” on E621, the “no NSFW of young-looking characters” rule on E6AI… The fate of human art here is uncertain, I’m considering All the Fallen… If only their site was working properly and not blocking itself half the time I try to visit! I also presume booru.foalcon.com is dead because I haven’t been able to access it, there’s always something wrong on THEIR end, not mine.

Baraag.net and Aethy.com are similar in how they both allow NSFW content of young characters, regardless of species. These instances don’t block each other, I’m on Aethy and I have retooted posts from Baraag. The only difference I noticed is that Aethy prohibits AI content.

No, i have literally noone to follow at all. I’m not even sure what i should try to find and follow, cubfurs, loli/shotacon or something else?

Should i try to join one of these “servers” (which?) or just post on the “normal” one, i don’t even know what that’s called and how it works? How would i get anyone to notice my posts?

I think the search is server-limited, obviously. I’m no on it, but from what I gather it’s a lot more like tumblr than “traditional” social media. Even more so than Bluesky, which is 100% chronological on your personal feeds, but has a FYP with a significantly less advanced algorithm than Twitter. Like, what is it with those algorithm and showing you stuff you’ve already liked or even reblogged? How else do you expect to further engage with that post, Bluesky/Twitter?? (Tumblr’s algorithm meanwhile, will happily recommend for following users that you have blocked or have blocked you… or both)

Anyway, the search is bad because in practice on Twitter and twitter clones most people don’t tag (though I guess it may depends on individual server?). I rarely see hashtags on my twitter feed, and they are basically entirely absent from Bluesky. Also it should be noted that any server can refuse to interact with another, so there will be servers that you can’t reblog/retweet/retoot/whatever-the-fuck-the-word-is-on-Mastodon from.

What do you do? Find your “starter stable” of accounts you want to follow. I assume if you wanna join Mastodon, you’re already checking the feeds of a few people regularly. When I joined Bluesky, I had about thirty+ people already who had fled twitter largely or entirely. If you don’t have that, why do you want to be on Mastodon exactly?? Throw in tags of interest, so you don’t even need to search for them.

Now, remember, there will be no algorithm to spoonfeed you content (or spread your stuff if you post yourself), so now your job is to interact if you want to get noticed. Retweet, like, respond. That’s how people will notice you. Check the original poster of good posts. If the account looks good? just follow it instead of relying on other people to push it onto your feed.

Be your own algorithm. Refine your block/mute filters over time to prevent stuff you don’t want on your feed. It can be some work, but it’s good hygiene for the mind to learn to do this! (it makes you learn how frustrating it is that you can’t do it on Facebook, for starters!)

Basically that’s my advice, based on how it works on Tumblr, and given that (tagging culture aside) Mastodon function much similarly in practice.

(if your question is more about the technicalities of “where are the useful functions” and “how the fuck this interface works??”, then I’m afraid I can’t do anything for you 😅😅)

But it like… makes no sense at all. I can’t seem to find anything by searching, i guess because if there is, it’s not on my “server” or whatever it’s called. So how do i find anything to join or follow? What am i supposed to do?

I just exploded on a Discord server I own after seeing the hypocritical treatment of immoral subjects in art… =_=

Update: It was a misunderstanding, things should be fine.

I played Worms games, so I’m totally going to shoot and blow people up, destroy property, pack animals and old women with timed explоsives and commit war crimes.
I played SPORE, so I’m totally going to exterminate entire species, wage wars and commit war crimes (again), turn habitable planets into dead rocks, blow up planets and ally with highly aggressive cyborgs that hate life.
I played and watched videos on Yandere Simulator, so I’m totally going to take pantуshots of unsuspecting g!rls; k!dnap , m!ndbreak, k!ll people and drive them to su!cide. The developer IS a confirmed grооmer, unfortunately, and his punishment so far is… mild: losing a lot of volunteers.

If looking at real porn actually had an influence, I’d be fucking pansexual and not ficto/aego/whatever, so I don’t see how drawings would influence me.

I may have started thinking cub and lolisho were okay back in my tееns (now that I think about it… I must’ve done those deleted pictures of Edd from EEnE during my teen crush on him). I don’t remember anyone trying to grооm me, and I never experienced SА. Some random idiot asked me for feet pics (I never showed my legs), but I think I was already adult by that time, DeviantArt is just full of stupid people who seem to revolve their existence around their fetishes.

“It’s illegal” is a faulty reasoning. In some places bestiаlity, ch!ld marriage and genitalia mutilаtion are allowed, but they shouldn’t be. In some places people are k!lled for being openly LGВTQ, but that shouldn’t happen.