Aliasing in the nudity tags

Dillocircus

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cub appreciator

At some point, all tags that amount to “partially clothed” were aggressively aliased to “nudity”, making that tag rather less useful, as a lot of characters where no genitals at all are visible ended up in it. On the other hand, all clothes are currently aliased to “clothed”, which may prove to be a problem. What should count as nudity? Here’s a VERY tentative proposal. Pup obviously has final decision!

First: I’m assuming pup is not a fan of “partially clothed”, so this entire discussion assumes an equivalent will not be created

Nudity

Includes:

complete nudity
Full frontal nudity
- Tentatively defined as “the genitals are fully exposed, as well as breasts if present, in front view” (e.g. >>4882)
Full exposure of the torso, from neck to upper-thighs
- not nudity of the torso, because I think some transparent/ineffective clothing qualify as nude: >>789
- for the most part this is equivalent to e621’s “mostly nude”
Any outfit that fully exposes the upper chest, genitals and anus

Whatever definition of “nude” is decided, it would be applied to nude/clothed pairs like “clothed man/nude cub” (if such tags are used)

Aliased (possibly restored): mostly nude
Not aliased: bottomless, topless
Not implied: skimpy

Question: Should bottomless and topless imply “nudity”?
Question: Should “Full frontal nudity” and “mostly nude” be tags at all?
Question: Should there be a tag for characters whose nudity is not merely casual but normal, like digimon and pokemon?

#Clothed
Personally, I would alias or imply all tags about partial nudity to “clothed”, not “nudity”.

However, unless we expect future users to know about “discarded *” tags, I believe clothing item tags should not alias to “clothed”.

Implied by: Skimpy, bottomless, topless, mostly nude (if restored), undressing

Question: Should partial nudity tags other than “mostly nude” alias to “clothed” or to something like “invalid tag”?

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Pup

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Casper the Mascot

I’m going to keep my opinion quiet on this as it’s not that strong, and I’m curious what others may think. Aliasing clothed and clothing can be un-aliased it’s just I didn’t see any consistency in e621 and other boorus about it.

For further clarification, I think if you could answer these questions, it would help others.

There are some tags that maybe they should be kept or not, such as “collar only” or “chastity cage only” or “underwear only” or “hat only.” I’ve also been known to put “collar only” and nude together. To me, they’re still “nude” even if they’re wearing accessories. Should we keep those * only tags? It gets stupid if you get into “shirt only” or “swimsuit only.” To me, the only tag that should apply is if it’s not actual clothing and they’re still fully exposed.

If a picture is waist up and they’re topless, should it be tagged as topless or nude if you can’t tell if they’re wearing pants or not?

How about ferals, such as Pokémon, as you suggested, be listed? Should a fox be tagged nude if it’s feral? Technically, that is their default state, but there are some ferals that wear clothing.

How would you tag this?

Would this be bottomless, like I tagged, or should it be “cape only” or “skimpy outfit?” I honestly don’t know.

I love that you have joined the team and you can bring your experience from e621. This site needs some OCD tag management.

I don’t know how other people feel, but some tags aren’t needed, such as “bird” then “avian” if you can barely see a bird in the distance. Also, I hate tags like “wall” or “floor” or “tiled wall” like… that doesn’t matter. I’m not sure what you think of that.

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Stinkek

200% confused

I noticed the description for “nudity” says something like “don’t use for bottomless characters”, but I find it on pictures where characters wear shirts and the like. Is this still being discussed?

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Dillocircus

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cub appreciator

post in progress. I must post/save and edit repeatedly as the “preview” function doesn’t work

I noticed the description for “nudity” says something like “don’t use for bottomless characters”, but I find it on pictures where characters wear shirts and the like. Is this still being discussed?

I did the edit to the tag, but did not go all the way back. You gotta remember that a LOT of stuff got imported from e621 with the tag combinations of bottomless/topless + partial nudity.

Alright, here’s a more elaborate chart:

Premises

Nudity tags include, for example: nude only, casual nudity, nudity, full frontal nudity, forced nudity, clothed/nude, ineffective clothing etc. and generally anything that is implied to the tag “nudity”
Nudity tags are relative to the normal presence of clothes and genitals in official depictions of this character.
** Thus, nudity tags do NOT include “bottomless” and “topless”
All tags that are variants of “fully nude” and “partially nude” are aliased to “nudity”, with the exception of “full frontal nudity”
This chart assumes no tag for a character like Bugs Bunny who is normally without clothes and a featureless crotch

Flowchart

The character is depicted with a featureless crotch
- There are boobs depicted → apply a nudity tag only if nipples are present.
  - If no nipples → Use featureless X tag(s) as appropriate.
- Is this character depicted with less clothing than normal for this character?
  1. Yes → Use an appropriate nudity tag
  2. No → Use featureless X tag(s) as appropriate.
There are actual genitals in the image (penis, vagina, anus )

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